本來興沖沖的要把標題為"坦尚尼亞--性解放",自己想了又想,這樣的”解放性”,範圍太小了.之所以會想這樣寫的原因在於,以往幾次規劃海外健行時,參與的男性不超過二個,而且這些男性大都是我的麻吉好友,知道我的性子與經驗,爬山的風格也相去不遠,所以我一直有他們的支持.這次吉山健行,男性的人數打破了以往的記錄,我發現特別是登山的男性,對”登頂名山”有著雄心壯志,前來詢問的也以男性眾多,女性反而較少,或自認為體力或經驗不足.別忘了,像這樣旅遊式的海外健行方式,只要背小背包就好,海跋又高,要比速度快,或誰背的多,其實很無趣.所以在我們組隊的過程中,其實在台灣爬過很多大山的人很少,因為那不是最主要的,這次的隊員有一半是2004年一起去安娜普娜基地營的伙伴,而我的樂趣和目標就是解放一些平常正經八百的人.
”話燒的來源1”
四年前一起去EBC的其中一個朋友寄來一則想要攀登吉利馬札羅山的訊息,這座山出現在我腦海裡的印象是在國中的地理課本裡,”原來這座美麗的錐形火山可以爬上去哦?”那時的我對海外健行極為陌生,但是陸陸續續的因全球暖化,全球各地冰河,冰山,冰原漸融的資訊不斷刊在各生態媒體雜誌上,我的目光就停留在吉利馬札羅火山上,被科學家預估再過十幾年,峰頂的冰河可能會完全融化.(因為朋友的伴侶換了,所以只有我一個人還想著這件事)
”話燒的來源2”
2004年在課堂上,老師給我們一則一名台灣女子攀登吉利馬札羅的新聞簡報,這次吸引我的是上山當”公主”跟比想像中要便宜許多的健行費(當時只要1000美元),那時在課堂上最想去的是老師,因為他也很在意那經預估後會在2015年融化消失的冰河.這一次我得到更精確的預估期,但是還沒有那麼確切地有規劃的念頭.
”話燒來源3”
從喀什米爾人的口中得知,大小冰河的確都在消退中,降雪期也一年比一年短,氣候越來越暖和,於是篤定的跟身旁的旅伴說:來年寒假,我要去吉利馬紮羅山.不過她再三請求,希望我能排在夏天,這樣才有同行的可能,還說很快就找到人馬,於是我遂將日期排在夏日遊客眾多之時,但此女子根本不管與他人有何約定,又是一個食言而肥的新新人類.於是我滿腔怒火,渡過寒日後又極快的找到同行的伙伴.(這也是我沒預料到的)
存在的約束
女性出國旅行,脫離原有父權文化的宰制;在台灣,登山健行原本就掌控在父權文化下,這樣看起來互有衝突的表面下,女性意識如何有自我再現的主體行動?身為伙伴們名為”領隊”的我,感受到男性對於領隊--這個大家都會以為是男性為主體發聲的印象,深刻感受到一種”你是女的”這樣隱隱約約的透露,讓我自己解嘲和諷刺的也許是,數量眾多的百岳數量似乎成為一種不成文的權威感或者是我己有組隊幾次的玩樂經驗.其實我很不願意以領隊自稱,這樣好像又構成了一種上對下的權力結構,團隊的曲調該是一種一起舞出的共識.不諱言的問新的男性成員之一,看到我的樣子,根本就是會把我當”菜小鳥”一隻看.這也促成我要計劃解放的陰謀與享受一起被解放的快感,不過通常我要先感受實地情境,才能開始憑感覺想像一些事能怎麼發生,所以計劃的所有就只有這一”念”.
只是,我會很要求伙伴要不浪費食物,尊重當地文化,注意生態環保,回饋在地人,登山的能力有多少,其實是其次了,看看自己的心可以再開放多少.
”話燒的來源1”
四年前一起去EBC的其中一個朋友寄來一則想要攀登吉利馬札羅山的訊息,這座山出現在我腦海裡的印象是在國中的地理課本裡,”原來這座美麗的錐形火山可以爬上去哦?”那時的我對海外健行極為陌生,但是陸陸續續的因全球暖化,全球各地冰河,冰山,冰原漸融的資訊不斷刊在各生態媒體雜誌上,我的目光就停留在吉利馬札羅火山上,被科學家預估再過十幾年,峰頂的冰河可能會完全融化.(因為朋友的伴侶換了,所以只有我一個人還想著這件事)
”話燒的來源2”
2004年在課堂上,老師給我們一則一名台灣女子攀登吉利馬札羅的新聞簡報,這次吸引我的是上山當”公主”跟比想像中要便宜許多的健行費(當時只要1000美元),那時在課堂上最想去的是老師,因為他也很在意那經預估後會在2015年融化消失的冰河.這一次我得到更精確的預估期,但是還沒有那麼確切地有規劃的念頭.
”話燒來源3”
從喀什米爾人的口中得知,大小冰河的確都在消退中,降雪期也一年比一年短,氣候越來越暖和,於是篤定的跟身旁的旅伴說:來年寒假,我要去吉利馬紮羅山.不過她再三請求,希望我能排在夏天,這樣才有同行的可能,還說很快就找到人馬,於是我遂將日期排在夏日遊客眾多之時,但此女子根本不管與他人有何約定,又是一個食言而肥的新新人類.於是我滿腔怒火,渡過寒日後又極快的找到同行的伙伴.(這也是我沒預料到的)
存在的約束
女性出國旅行,脫離原有父權文化的宰制;在台灣,登山健行原本就掌控在父權文化下,這樣看起來互有衝突的表面下,女性意識如何有自我再現的主體行動?身為伙伴們名為”領隊”的我,感受到男性對於領隊--這個大家都會以為是男性為主體發聲的印象,深刻感受到一種”你是女的”這樣隱隱約約的透露,讓我自己解嘲和諷刺的也許是,數量眾多的百岳數量似乎成為一種不成文的權威感或者是我己有組隊幾次的玩樂經驗.其實我很不願意以領隊自稱,這樣好像又構成了一種上對下的權力結構,團隊的曲調該是一種一起舞出的共識.不諱言的問新的男性成員之一,看到我的樣子,根本就是會把我當”菜小鳥”一隻看.這也促成我要計劃解放的陰謀與享受一起被解放的快感,不過通常我要先感受實地情境,才能開始憑感覺想像一些事能怎麼發生,所以計劃的所有就只有這一”念”.
只是,我會很要求伙伴要不浪費食物,尊重當地文化,注意生態環保,回饋在地人,登山的能力有多少,其實是其次了,看看自己的心可以再開放多少.
在心頭悄然擊聲
第一個分享給曾經跟我到尼泊爾健行的友人,因為我不是一個很喜歡找人的人,覺得當初有人願意每個月存三千元到我的戶頭裡當旅行基金,好像不費力氣就找到了可以一起去世界各地健行的好伙伴
那時覺得這個人很老實,又很好拐的樣子,
但是才存完一個月,在我們一起去完馬博橫斷後,不久,他就因淋巴癌去逝了
對於死亡,我不陌生
對於這份短短的,卻又那麼濃厚的情誼卻始終掛在心上(連朋友都以為我們相識己久)
雖然吉山並不如一般”遠征”那般高技術
但是我心中清楚那是一個承諾
我並不想要因為最近很熱門,不少團體都去過所以我也要這樣子的念頭而去,因為那是架構在別人的希望裡
,也不想只是為了回來炫耀用的,因為把眼看著峰頂上快要消失的冰河拿來炫耀實在沒什麼意思,不過,還是要去看看,提醒自己可以用什麼樣的方式生活,我不太喜歡用蠻荒(相對的就是文明)這個字眼來形容要去的非洲,至少我還沒親眼看過!
這會是什麼樣的旅程呢?
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we 5 are planning to climb Kilimanjaro on the end
of Jun,please would you give me the club contact
information that you joined and how to get the
cheapest ticket, thks
Here's my tips box as bellow,you can check it and contact with the Guide <Aloyce>directly, http://www.wretch.cc/blog/wind1717&article_id=4720159, concerning flight,you can make reservation from http://www.ysticket.com/ ET airlines, TPE-BKK-ADD-Kilimonajaro airport
Planning to visit Mt. Kilimanjaro too, i sincere thank Wind1717
for sharing this valuable information and experience to us.
Thanks!
you're welcome. You can check the website of "Keepon" .there's also more details and informations . but I think you've gotten that already.
Hi! thanks for your information ,Aloyce gave me a
quota USD900 per person for five people six days
climbing Machame route including Park
Fees,Accommodations,Transport,Food ,Guide ,Cook
and Porters salaries except Personal Use
eg.Drinks and Tips,he did not show me all the
details, but it is USD300 cheaper than the Quota
I got from Destination Africa Tour In Johnesburg
SA,how did you contact Aloyce ? by skype or
MSN ?
I din't contact with him before we go to Tanzania,just he is
arranged to be with our group .I think he is the one who can
trust ,just make sure all the details as well ,you can type the
contract and demand by your side ,Be sure, he know what you want
and you have to confirm it at least 3 times.
Do not worry about too much !He will take care of
you .Just make sure how many tips to Guide and Portes?
How many staff you will have in trekking.
計畫六月底前往吉利山,走machame route
南非的朋友,要從約堡出發(團費含機票usd1700),
如果我自行前往kilimanjaro,團費為usd1250,
因為要計算旅遊費用,所以
想知道您當初是怎麼飛的,可否告知每一個點。
以下是我看您的遊記,拼湊出來的,不知對不對
台北--曼谷--add---kilimanjaro airport
謝謝您。
to 驢兒 Yes, You're so smart and pretty right!
Hi.we decided to spend additional day on mountain to acclimatize, so it is time to prepare all the gear, we don\\\'t go mountainclimbing often, some of gears may only will use once in our life, I heard the rental gear is stink and shabby, but look at those items all so expensive,will you recommend me where we can buy most of our gear by reasonable price,can we use normal sleeping bag but wear more clothes while sleeping ? what kind of Jacket did u wear during the climbing? thanks
sorry ! it's late to reply u soon . 1. Concerning about mountain gear:first of all , Keep warm is very important when you climb to Uhuru Peak, the temperature is -20 and pretty cool once the weather become bad. At least ,you have to prpare one good quality "down- jaket " to keep you warm ,it's not just for climbing,u can have it when you stay cruel cold place. 2. can we use normal sleeping bag but wear more clothes while sleeping ? A: I can't make sure how "normal" it is, according my last experience in July , "normal down"(-0~-10) sleeping bag is enough for us .if your sleeping bag as similar as this ,yes ,you can wear others clothes once you feel cold ,actually ,for me ,it's not cold so much when I go to every campsite.
shopping store : u can go to 中山北路 "山水" ,"登山友" or 中部的鄉野情 pls make sure one thing ,ask your guide to prepare sleeping pad to everyone . you also can ask one of my friend "楊梅樹下"(pls see my blog-connection) ,he can provid u more good idea ,too . Because I can't make sure what kind of equipments you have ,it's better u can tell me more informaion.
hey.. do you know what? i contact with 2 person from
you tip box Aloyce and Seif both give me a quote ,
Seif (he remembered you) quoted me USD200 pp more(
that is a big different) , but I thought they should
work in the same company right? a bit confused, he
offered that we will only pay him the full amount by
USD on our arrival, no deposit, it did worry me,cos
the climbing permit should be applied and pay by cash
in advance,how did you pay him? did you also pay him
on arrival? thanks!
Seif and Aloyce didn't work in the same company,Seif is Travel Agency you can trust as well .Aloyce is trekking guide who can arrange tour by himself and he care security very much . As I wish ,you can bargin with Seif less us200 (tell him Aloyce provide you good price)and require Seif that Aloyce be your trekking guide ,it's better you put them work together and they have to control each other . Be make sure ,how many staff you will have in trekking ,and what kind of equipment they will provide to you . I didn't pay money to Seif directly(because I paid to his boss more by internate bank) ,but I suggested him before ,do not ask people send money soon until they trust you. so ,if you trust him ,then you can pay until you arrival ,no probelm. concerning the payment of entry fee ,just paid when u on arrival . Do not worry Seif and Aloyce ,espcially Seif ,he will pr
ovide you
reasonable service, just tell him clearly what u want .
thanks! I tried to negotiate with Seif,so far he
offered me USD1200 pp for 7 days trekking on machame
route and seem like his boss will be our trekking
guide , do you mind to tell me how much he charged you
PP ? since we are taking the same route and spending
the same day on the mountain..
I've sent mail to Seif last mid-night, and confirmed him about price for you . I think he will inform you soon. Actually ,he is the one who can arrange by himself . but I don't know your details as well . I've talked to u ,last time I discuss with his company,not himself,so the price will be higher then you . Our price including 5 days safari ,total was more then 2200us dollars. As my pointview, same route not always same price , every clients has different requirment , reasonable is what we can accept ,do not forget ,what u pay will feedback on your tour ,I really don't know your goal and demand exactly. And we had 8 pax at that time ,I think it's one of the reason why you can't get lower price . Seif is travel Agency ,Aloyce is trekking guide . If you ask him the lower price ,maybe he has to negociate with other t
rekking guide who can give u
good service and lower salary ,but ,you have to take
a risk ,becuase trekking guide is very important for
trekking tour.
我的行程為
台北--曼谷(華航)--ET航空到ADD
請問台北曼谷來回除了華航,還有其他的航空可搭配嗎?因為轉機時間實在有夠久,且回程已經沒座位
了。
謝謝。
我不是搭華航的
那時是泰航接班,並不用等很久
你可以上ET airlines的網站看一下
另外,我不是旅行社小姐,
所以有些資料我也要想一下才能記起來
Hi..finally .. ticket confrimed, Seif gave me the good
package n price as our request, everything is fixed
now! the next step will be doing our shopping and
fitness program.
thank you !
That's great ,but do not forget ,all the porters
need your salary to get better life with their famliy.
and respect them by the humanatic way ,if their
guide treat them bad ,you have right to remind him.
Wish you all the best .
Have a nice Jorney !